Fuck Full Tilt Poker?
Question – PokerEchtgeld.com :
The title says it all, I won $2 in a freeroll 48hours ago, and then after 2 days of good playing and limited suck outs i made $47 which is really good for 4hours of playing. After that i went on a losing streak losing $10 heads up to amazing luck and sick suckouts. This continued in sit n goes and furthermore in rush poker. Eventually i was drained to now a pathetic $0.04 yes i went from $47 to $0.04. Why did this happen? Someone said on this i wasnt a profitable player clearly i am since i almost x28 my freeroll winnings in 4hours. BUT why do so many suckouts happen to decent players. Let me give you a little example. I had 10 6 and i limped in vs another player. Flop comes 10 10 6 i was extatic i checked opponent bet i called then another 6 on the turn opponent bet and i called then on the river a queen. Opponent bet i called all in, he had a better full house he hit his 2 outer that hand alone cost me $17 in rush poker. Sick or me being a bad player?
Question – PokerEchtgeld.com :
The title says it all, I won $2 in a freeroll 48hours ago, and then after 2 days of good playing and limited suck outs i made $47 which is really good for 4hours of playing. After that i went on a losing streak losing $10 heads up to amazing luck and sick suckouts. This continued in sit n goes and furthermore in rush poker. Eventually i was drained to now a pathetic $0.04 yes i went from $47 to $0.04. Why did this happen? Someone said on this i wasnt a profitable player clearly i am since i almost x28 my freeroll winnings in 4hours. BUT why do so many suckouts happen to decent players. Let me give you a little example. I had 10 6 and i limped in vs another player. Flop comes 10 10 6 i was extatic i checked opponent bet i called then another 6 on the turn opponent bet and i called then on the river a queen. Opponent bet i called all in, he had a better full house he hit his 2 outer that hand alone cost me $17 in rush poker. Sick or me being a bad player?
Don’t limp with T6os, remember hand selection and post flop play is crucial…
Without knowing much about you or your game, I guess your playing to many hands. When doing this you can get up real quick and win big money, but beware you can lose it just as fast as well. The 1 you put above was a sick beat guessing he had pk. Q’s and caught a better boat on the river. Even if you had bet hard he probably would’ve called thinking you didn’t have a 10, but your going to run into this type play. Thing is if your playing a bunch of hands like I said you can win quickly …just as well lose it quickly.
when you play 10 6 than you are definetly a bad player, sorry but this is the truth
Well, the title doesn’t say it all, perhaps your first word was censored…
But how can you say you claim to be a clearly profitable when you count your winnings, but don’t include your losses? Everyone is profitable when you only include your winnings.
You won $2 in a freeroll, and now you have 4 cents, that’s not profitable. You can’t only count the wins, it doesn’t work like that, I’m afraid.
In that last hand, I guess your opponent had pocket queens? And you had 10 6, and you are complaining that you lost? Imagine that river wasn’t a queen… but you had the pocket queens, you’d come on here complaining that the site was rigged, because some idiot limped in with 10-6 and flopped a full house.
That being said, no one can judge anything based on one hand described… any profitable player will tell you that. But don’t expect to make a profit limping with 10-6.
“BUT why do so many suckouts happen to decent players”
Welcome to Poker. If you are a good player over time you will make a profit and will accept that these bad beats happen so you can move on to the next hand with a clear head. What you described was a very bad beat, I have taken a lot worse then that before and keep in mind I have played thousands and thousands of hands. Suckouts are going to happen both ways to the worst players and the best players in the world.
“Someone said on this i wasnt a profitable player clearly i am since i almost x28 my freeroll winnings in 4hours.” – 4 hours isn’t much of a sample to rate your poker abilities on. Check back in 4 years time and you’ll have a better idea of whether you’re profitable or not.
At risk of sounding rude, from reading your question I can tell that you are not a profitable poker player. You seem to lack even basic understanding of the game in some respects, particularly in the fact that you’re assuming a 4 hour session where you made a profit means that you’re a solid player. The fact that you’re limping 10,6off, in a game like Rush Poker (where reads are virtually impossible to have on other players and you would generally be playing an even tighter range than you would in a regular full ring game) is also a clear warning sign that you’re probably a little out of your depth, without going into other aspects of your game.
This comment – “BUT why do so many suckouts happen to decent players” – is also a tell tale sign that you’re not playing profitable poker. Suckouts are good, it usually means you played the hand well, but caught some bad luck. That’s how you want to lose, because these are the types of plays where you make most of your money, the times when you put your money in ahead of someone who’s a long way behind. They happen to the decent players because they make more good decisions and are more often than not ahead of their opponents if their chips go in the middle. In the long term, suckouts are only going to happen as many times as they’re supposed to; so if someone hits a 4:1 draw, long term, you’ll win 4 out of 5 times in that scenario. You should be patting yourself on the back and saying, bad luck, I played that well.
The next thing to look at would be the rate that you earnt your money at. Everyone seems to understand that you can lose money rapidly, but not many people seem to factor in the rate at which they win money. If you’re turning $2 into $47 in the blink of an eye on cash tables, then you’re probably winning at too fast a rate to be playing solid profitable poker. That statement may confuse some people, but just like when you lose money fast, you should be going back over your game if you hit spots where you seem to win money really fast. Because you’re at the fairly low stakes it’s possible to see a jump like this from catching some good cards, but generally a fast rise in profit like this is a sign that you’re accepting too much risk or gambling too much, and it’s a forewarning to a big loss coming around the corner.
Lastly, bankroll management is another aspect that you don’t seem to have down pat. If you’re losing $17 in one hand and your bankroll is a maximum of $47, you’re playing way over your head. Regardless of whether you’re you or whether you’re Phil Ivey, you can’t expect to stay in the game long if you’re putting yourself in positions where you can drop nearly half your stack in one hand. The hand example you did give in your post is (10,6 vs QQ) emphasises this. It was just bad luck at the time, but it sums up the reason why you can’t risk that much of your bankroll at the one time, because these things will happen, and often, especially in online poker.
So my advice to you would be to slow down, read some poker strategy advice, or play freerolls and play money tables for a little bit until you get a better understanding for the the game.